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Daynote mail: Week of 11 January - 17 January, 1999

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Mail inclusions in the daynotes was building up the file size more than I expected or cared for, so now any quoted mail ends up here. Sidebar "Daynotes"-link, beside each weekday, links to corresponding day in the daynote file.

General address to mail comments to: bo@leuf.com

(BTW, week numbering is according to the Swedish calendar, which this year started January in week 53. "Current" weekday is of course based on GMT+1, meaning I get a 6 to 10 hour head start on the day compared to US readers <grin>.)

Anyone who mails me and wishes the mail to remain private should say so up front. Quoted mail may be shortened and is usually based on my reply quotes. There may be some minor overlap between what's on the daynote page and what is given here in order to give correct context.

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Monday 11.01

Ran across an interesting series of articles about the current (lack of) decent CSS and XML support in browsers. One can start with

http://www.xml.com/xml/pub/98/12/B-Trouble.html

and go on from there. I sent this URL to a number of people...

Daniel Demaret (DDData) commented:

Silly author.

He seems to want to use CSS.

CSS is DEAD!

Passé!

Out!!!!

Going to see its maker as soon as XSL gets finished.

It is my profound hope that these browsers REMOVE any support they now have for CSS in the final versions their "5" browsers.

Unfortunately, it is people like this that are going to force the browsers to keep lugging on heavy, outdated technologies like HTML and CSS.

Oh well, hi ho, there you go, that's life isn't it?

Thanks for the link though.

I have read half the brick "XML Handbook" now, but its good to keep track at what's happening on the street. Or in this case, in the gutters.

And quite comprehensive gutters at that.

Let's call it "grass-roots" instead of gutters.

They do seem to be working at it.

To which I replied:

I believe he was trying to make the point that MS seemed uninterested in XML XSL as well.

I looked around for some decent XML tools, but the most likely look to set me back several hundred USD each. Hm.

Oh well, back to the gutters...


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Tuesday 12.01

I commented on Tom Syroid's daynote about the "Rat pack" documentary he saw, to which he replied (my quoted comment prefaced by >)...

> You should also add Shirley Maclaine to the list -- she was more or less the "official mascot", as she puts it herself. I agree that the group and times present a fascinating story. I read about it largely through Shirley's published retrospectives and unique insider's perspective. She focuses mainly on Frank, Dean and Jerry. After reading her view I finally see, I think, what was right and what was wrong in that strange Dean & Jerry chemistry. I always found their later films off-key, and could rarely stand Jerry Lewis on his own.

Interesting. I used to read a lot of Shirley MacLaine years back but never came across any references I can remember in her writing to any affiliation between her and the Rat Pack. And as detailed as the program was, there was not a nit in it about Shirley. Just goes to show you how our perceptions of "reality" -- reality we don't directly experience, that is -- are always filtered through someone else's choices.

The book in question is (quoting from my fact/faction book section)

  • My Lucky Stars -- A Hollywood Memoir -- (1995), This is an interesting retrospective of all the Hollywood names SML has known (and loved) over the years. It also brings us up to date on some more recent events in her life. -- order pb -- pbB -- hb (Amazon links)


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Wednesday 13.01

Tom Syroid noted yesterday on his insights page, in response to a comment from me (the > paragraphs)...

> BTW, nice new look on the pages, but... (yes, always that "but") forced maybe a bit wide?

> "<table border="0" width="850" height="513" cellpadding="8">"

> i.e. the table is forced to 850 pixels wide whatever the window size, making your text lines maybe 50% too long for comfortable reading (and anyone with less than a 1024-wide screen will have to scroll -- 640x480 VGA: scroll a lot!)

Very pertinent. While I spent considerable time making sure everything was consistent and pleasant to look at, I completely overlooked this important consideration. Welcome to the world of web publishing.

... It never even occurred to me that someone out there would in all likelihood drop by for a visit and see my work through the eyes of a 15" monitor, in 640X480, set to 16 colors. I do believe this is called an "Oops."

Oopsolutely!

I commented back with some details concerning tabled formats, but also a more general discussion, somewhat edited below...

If you want to have a real nostalgia "eyeopener" -- get the Spectrum emulator (from my Speccy pages or the emulator homepage). Ignore the emulation for the moment, just run the the thing with options set for scale 1:1 in a window. THAT is what computer screens used to look like (320x200 tv resolution). Seen on say 1024x768, the relative size of this is unbelievably TINY.

Otherwise just trying to do some normal browsing with the screen reset to VGA 680x480 256 color can give a clear indication of the things that really need looking at from a fixed layout point of view.

The problem is exactly the embedded "fixed" part of the design approach, which runs counter to the underlying idea of content markup. Of course the way the Web works today, there is a lot of material already out there that is "feature-heavy" and "layout-published". But because of this, there are also a lot of visitors who may end up very dissatisfied with particular sites that do not look good on their systems, or that even ends up being completely unusable for them.

It's a trade-off; the more tightly you wish to control layout, the more you must weigh the potential disadvantages for visitors -- i.e. the more you have to really know in advance just who your visitors are (to be) and what they are browsing with.

Those who want really tight control over their material are probably better off publishing in a (downloadable) proprietary format, e.g. Adobe Acrobat PDF, where the author has total control over layout aspects. Unless of course one feels it is ok to go "experimental" on one's website and state up front "best viewed with IE 5.35SP2 with the following plug-ins -- also see minimum system and bandwidth requirements list here". :)


One (recently hit) example of a site that may be interesting, but makes several dubious assumptions about webpublishing in terms of dtp mindset, is www.TheWordIsTruth.org. One such asumption is the "enter through the front door" approach of having multiple image-only pages to lead you from the (log-in) root to the material inside. Tedious, but at least one can turn off the images the next time around.

The site does have active follow-up, e.g. email:

Thank you for visiting my Internet book at www.TheWordIsTruth.org and signing in with your e-mail address. It will allow me to send an infrequent message regarding this initiative directly to you.

This is innocent enough as follow-ups go, but I was somewhat less than thrilled with the continuation...

On the evening of Friday, January 15th, I plan to publish a synopsis of my book. It will be distributed at no cost to all those who have visited the site. The document will arrive in a Microsoft Word file format, allowing you to print clean copies easily. I know how challenging it is to find enough time to read a 600+ page book, let alone one found exclusively online. So, this "editor's cut" of the book contains enhanced up-to-the-moment perspective and the most salient points made across the collection of works.

Note the rather naive assumption evident in "allowing you to print clean copies easily", given a native MS-Word doc file. My immediate reaction was, "Oh God no, not the entire 600+ pages!", but then I noticed "synopsis". Phew!


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Thursday 14.01

Mentioned a book idea I was working on to Bob Thompson, who replied...

I'll look forward to seeing your book, although I probably won't understand much of it.

If you don't, then I will to a great extent have failed...

By which I meant that the thrust of the book was to be accessible even to non-specialists (object oriented design). His next reply...

Maybe not. I got the idea that it was pretty far outside my area of competence.

Oh well...


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Friday 15.01

There has been a fair bit of exchange lately with Tom Syroid about his problems with table format tweaking. Much of this is posted on his own site, and some on Bob Thompson's, so I won't duplicate it here.

I will only remark that many complications result when:

  1. HTML-editing software, such as FrontPage (aka "FehPage"), presents the page in psuedo-WYSIWYG and behaves non-intuitively with hidden automatic features.
  2. The author aproaches the task with a desktop-publishing, or even word-processor mindset.


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Saturday 16.01

Tom Syroid managed to achieve desired column sizing and I told him so...

Mmm. Thanks Bo, I think.

I vowed to stay away from this formatting nightmare, but couldn't resist a little fiddle time late last night.

Aye, 'tis 'ard t' fight the urge.

This is becoming more and more confusing as I go -- how does that go now: Tom's Insight Rule #435? The more I learn, the less I know???

Yes... this about sums up the quest for knowledge.

Point 1: When I created my layout, I built it using a TWO tables per day format (as opposed to Bob's ONE table per day format). As we all know, I didn't think about the view from either another browser or at a different resolution at this time. Further, I couldn't find any command to proportion the tables across the page (eg. 10/90%). Do-da, do-da. You've followed the story. Well last night I played around with selecting the right hand row of tables, and instead of choosing TABLE PROPERTIES, I chose CELL PROPERTIES, removed any specification to cell height, and selected 90% cell width. I then selected the left column of tables, did the same, but set it to 10% width. I was waiting to see if anyone noticed. It appears I'm on to something here. BUT...

Works, unless of course other settings mess it up for you.

Point 2: I also did ALL my journal pages and a few others as well. My current insights page (1/11/99) held the format and works as advertised. A couple of the others I checked this morning did not and act as before. WTF?????

One possibility, the overall table may still have a fixed px size, in which case the % distribution will be calculated on this. Another is that there is something in a table cell that forces a fixed width.

Point 3: I installed Netscape 4.05 this morning on my Win98 partition. This is how/where I picked up on my journal pages format being correct on 1/11/99 but not so on 1/4/99. I also noted a vast and confusing array of font formatting on my left side navigation tables. I selected all-caps-arial-8pt (size 1 in HTML-speak) and it looks tickey-boo in IE. Again, WTF. How is it that Netscape interprets something as default as Arial in different sizes/shapes/forms? Is this because I'm not using the 'default' typeface (TNR)? I would think, though, that even Netscape would support Arial -- that's why I chose it. Blast.

Ah yes, now you can really begin to experience the "relativity principle" of the Web: "What you get is what you got."

Netscape has its own way of interpreting, or not, any number of tags. One of the reasons I finally gave up on Netscape, although it used to be my browser of preference. In any case, and fortunately, the "Mozilla standard" ends with v4.5 and the AOL purchase, and can be considered obsolescent. Netscape 5 seems likely to be a complete rewrite along the lines of Opera and with the intention of being "squeaky-clean" W3C-HTML-compliant.

Now I'm not sure how this is 'supposed' to work (is there a 'supposed to' in the world of web publishing -- I'm beginning to think not), but I assume that setting table percents should equalize table viewing to the settings supplied (in my case, 10% left/90% right). Does the fact that you're not seeing any change in the left table mean something is still not equally represented across browsers?

Well, one "problem" with %-width settings is that they depend somewhat on cell contents and how any given browser handles this. I understand for example that a totally empty cell may cause a table to not render well regarless of settings, which is why hard spaces ("&nbsp") are often inserted. In some browsers, column width will not resize smaller than the longest word in any cell. In others, even words get wrapped if forced by the current width. PRE-tagged text and images as content override any width setting.

And is my 10% right column size too small?

Probably ok given the font size you "suggest"...

Bob suggested the 13/87 split. I was experimenting and looking for change I could see, so chose round numbers. I need this feedback though before I go start making wholesale changes.

Precisely why I prefer CSS when possible, since this centralizes all relevant cosmetic changes to a single layout file.


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Sunday 17.01

Tom Syroid remarks on my delay in updating here (all this last was put in retroactively from Moday the 18th)...

I see you've been a little lax on getting new material up on your site of late... Let's pick up the pace a bit, shall we. You've got readers clamouring at your door, ya' know, searching for new and worldly inspiration <seg>. (shit-eating-grin).

Yeah, yeah... well, my life has more than the virtual dimensions, and there is a certain clamoring for my realtime presence too. I think you know how it is... Daynotes got a quickie update during the day, but I'll get around to the mailpage retroactively as it were.

I like your new font. Century Schoolbook, is it not? I'm getting a wee bit tired of seeing TNR on all my favorite sites, being the visual, love-of-change kinda guy I am.

Yes, it was my best guess at a nice typeface many are likely to have, though I should really specify it with the name used on Macs as well. (IIRC it's "Century Schlbk" or something like that.) I find the default TNR has rather poor kerning in its truetype incarnation and tends visually to be a tad too compact.

And thanks for the new acronym -- WYGIWYG/What You Get is What You Got.

You've dutifully been added to my all-time hit list. Yes, I too am looking forward to checking out Netscape 5 when it morphs into a stable form. I believe we should see something early-feature-almost-complete any day now.

The big news this morning is that I emerged from my closet, wearing a bright blue cap, and pronounced myself "HTML MAN". I started gingerly poking around in that spagetti stuff that accompanies my files last night, and lo, what should I see (now that, thanks to you, I have a notion what to look for) but width="765" buried in the odd table format.

And, several pages lacking the table="100%". I gleefully clicked and edited, while my wife lay in bed and:

  1. Questioned my sanity
  2. Wondered aloud what I had done now (Gee, now where could she have found that attitude?)
  3. Asked if I was reading one of your Emails

When the wife wonders if you're crazy, you're supposed to smile sweetly and say "yes, that's why you married me".

I haven't been into Netscape this morning to check out my handiwork, but I do believe I'm slowly getting a handle on this table format stuff. I also edited the cell sizes in my Insight pages to 13/87% just to see what kind of difference it made. None in IE. We'll see what Netscape has to say.

SE is 9 hours ahead of Saskatchewan, correct? Leah and I were trying to calculate this out in our heads this morning over coffee.

Yes, that is what GMT-8 and GMT+1 would mean.

Now I need to go back and re-read your material on CSS. I know it's in this pile here somewhere...

I had also mentioned earlier that our car was acting up electrically...

And BTW, have your alternator checked out on your vehicle. The wiring could indeed be a problem, but given the added load put on the charging system in its life as a taxi thru lights/radios ect., I suspect this may be the source of your problems. And while alternators are usually replaced as a unit, most of the time this is unnecessary -- 9 times out of 10 it is just the regulator component. Whether or not you can buy just this in Sweden, I don't know. I know I can here. If you want to tackle the job, let me know. I can walk you through the details. It's not really any harder than taking the case off a computer and changing a HDD.

Which I thought a kind offer of help.


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